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In the spring of 2020, Ash Gutierrez was a 15-year-old kid attending school via Zoom classes from his bedroom in Hendersonville, North Carolina, population, 13,000. In the 18 months since, he's released two EPs as Glaive, amassed millions of plays on SoundCloud, and signed a deal with Interscope Records. He's traveled to Los Angeles to record with Travis Barker and Nick Mira, been boosted by Lana Del Rey on Instagram, and become the de facto prince of the hyperpop scene even if his music reaches beyond such straightforward genre conventions. What's most impressive though is how quickly he's grown as a songwriter and musician. His new EP, All Dogs Go To Heaven, is hooky, but deft, a project that pulls from Midwest emo, arena pop, and SoundCloud rap. It features a frantic, acoustic guitar-led song about romantic frustration and a soaring ballad about human imperfections.

Gutierrez himself might put that down to his ADD, but either way, it's thrilling to think about where he might go from here. Given that he witnessed his concert a few weeks ago and played his own first show the day after, it's clear that Gutierrez is still getting to grips with that himself. It'll be even tougher to do when he goes back to school in person in Hendersonville again next week. Earlier this week, The FADER's Alex Robert Ross caught up with Glaive to talk about his unexpected rise to fame through lockdown, the way his process has changed as he's gone from his bedroom in North Carolina to studios in L.A., and his mum's favorite song on All Dogs Go To Heaven.

The FADER: Where are you right now?

Glaive: I am in Los Angeles. Well, right now, right now, I'm in a living room, but normally, I'd be in North Carolina, but I'm in L.A. My stuff came out and I was like, "Shit, let's do this." I'm rehearsing for other stuff, so L.A. is the best place to be but I go back pretty soon.

Who are you with in L.A.?

Right now, I'm at my manager's house, but I'm staying at an Airbnb, sleeping at an Airbnb with another artist named Ericdoa, and it's been super fun. But right now, I'm at my manager's house.

It must be fun to be roommates with Eric again.

Yeah, I love that guy. I wake up and I leave, because I wake up at eight o'clock. Those motherfuckers wake up at one o'clock. I'm already gone before, so I see them every night. It's super cool. They're wonderful people and, yeah, it's been super fun.

This is your second time in L.A.

It is my second time in L.A., yes, yes, yes.

So first time you were around, you were recording with Travis Barker, Nick, people like that. What was that, a few months ago now?

Yeah, that was before summer, so that was three, four months ago.

Coming from Hendersonville, it sounded like that was a pretty crazy experience for you getting to see a lot of people and a lot of things for the first time and going into big studios and really working on stuff. Does it feel different now?

It's still pretty crazy every time. The first time, obviously, was nuts. That was when I was first ever meeting people in real life. But I'd say this trip has been crazier. Everything has just been a little bigger, I suppose. L.A. is the polar opposite of my hometown. Not much really goes on there. Everyone's pretty calm and chill. Hendersonville, it definitely sleeps at night. L.A., I feel like it's all in. You could get an Uber anytime, DoorDash at any time. But Henderson feels just not like that.

Tell me about Hendersonville, because your closest city is Asheville, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hendersonville, it's a wonderful, quaint little town. My parents moved there when I was 10. I am personally not the hugest fan of it just because not much really goes on. It's a weird place to be a teenager, but it's a beautiful place. Nature-wise, aesthetic-wise, it's fricking beautiful, but like I said, it's slow.

Yeah. I know that you got a lot of your musical education from the radio and then by drilling down on SoundCloud. When you were growing up, and you spent the first nine, 10 years of your life in Florida, when you were growing up, was there live music around you? Were you ever going out to shows with your friends playing music?

Definitely not. I actually had never been to a show and the first show I ever went to was a few weeks ago with Playboi Carti. It was cool, it was cool. Yeah, I'd never seen live music up until recently. There was never any live shows in Hendersonville. Nothing I really wanted to see. I'm sure there were, I just really wasn't paying attention. I'm not a big country bluegrass type of music fan so I'm not going to go see that type of show.

Wait, your first show was a Playboi Carti show a few weeks ago?

Yeah, it was crazy. We were in this different area because, I don't know, we were just in a different area, and he walks up and gets on top of the camera booth and starts performing his songs. I'm like, "This guy's fucking nuts." He was wearing a Donda mask. I was like, "Whoa, this guy's crazy. It was super sick to see. He's fucking amazing."

That's a real trial by fire though, man. You didn't start off slow. You just went straight into a Playboi Carti show.

Yeah, he had it going crazy. He just played Whole Lotta Red. I just said, "The Whole Lotta Red." He just played Whole Lotta Red, and it was like, "Holy fuck." He played some of his classics. He didn't play "Magnolia," which was like, "Damn, that sucks." But he definitely played some of his classics so I was happy. Everyone was going crazy. It was awesome. He just screams on the microphone. He just goes. "Yeah." I'm like, "For real."

Did you get to meet him afterwards?

Oh, definitely not. I would be so scared. I don't know how I would handle meeting Playboi Carti.

Wait, so, how close was you seeing your first ever concert to you performing your first ever concert?

Probably six days.

Shit.

So I played a pop-up a few days ago for my EP coming out, but before that, we were at this party thing. I don't even know what classifies as a party, but we were there. They were playing music and this guy named Zack Bia, who's a music person, just a general internet person, and he was like, "Do you want to do a song?" So that was actually the first time I'd ever sung live in front of people, but that wasn't a performance. It was just one song. I saw Playboi Carti and then that was the next day, so that was pretty crazy. And then three days later, we got back, and then two days later, the pop-up was. So I'd say six days. It was watching, performance.

That's wild. I've seen you say before that you used to do Justin Bieber songs in the mirror and stuff. You definitely had that childhood pop star thing, but when you're on stage for the first time, you've only been to one live show, do you feel pretty free when you're up there? Was it a natural thing that you got up there and it was just adrenaline?

Yeah. Well, the first little performance, the one song, I had no idea what I was doing. I was just going like this. And then, for the pop-up, I was watching my friends perform and I was like, "Wow, that's super sick." And I was definitely thinking about it a little more, but at the end of the day, I was doing whatever, I don't know, it sounds corny, but what my heart or soul was doing. I wasn't really thinking about it. And looking back, it was just a blur. I don't really remember any specific moments. I have a little pictures of what was going on, but it was all just, I was super fucking hyped up. I got a bottle of water and I drank it, and I thought this was so cool, I threw the water on it.

There were some really amazing moments, though. This necklace, someone was like, "I need you to have this necklace." Onstage, they were handing it to me. So I still have it. My mom is calling me. Just hold on one sec.

Of course.

Let me text her. I'll call you in... Sorry.

That's totally fine. It's perfect, honestly. Actually, it's perfect that your mom is texting you.

Yeah. Yeah, so I got this. I got a ring. I'm not actually wearing it right now. Very sorry. But I was wearing it all week. I have that. Somebody threw me a hat. This girl got on stage. She was like, "I'm leaving in 20 minutes. Can I please get a picture?" I was like, "Okay." I was not going to be like, "You can't get on this stage." So she was on stage. It was crazy. But like I said, I don't really remember the whole thing. I just remember specific moments. But it was the best experience of my life. Probably the best night of my life was that pop-up show.

I guess you're now starting to realize, even though you've got data and analytics to back it up, you're now starting to really see what's happened over the last year and a half. People are actually showing love to you in-person.

Definitely. That was the crazy thing was, so we posted about it. I just posted on my story and my friends just posted on their story. We were like, "I hope people come." It was 150 person venue, which is, "I don't know if we're going to get 150 people in here." We had 600 people in there, and they were like, "You can't have anymore people in here. You can't." There were people in the alley, by the side watching it, it was crazy. It was like, "Holy fuck. I didn't realize that this many people were here." I didn't know. I posted about it on Twitter and people are like, "I wish I could be there." Nobody was like, "I'm going to be there." But there were just a fuck ton of people. It was crazy. We had this wall that had canvas on it and people were writing on it. The whole wall was full, top to bottom with people's text, people wrote stuff, people drew. It was amazing to see, to see people in real life for the first time. It was crazy.

That's brilliant. Is it even a year and a half since you released your first song on SoundCloud? Must be now, right?

Yeah. It's getting close to probably a year and a half. SoundCloud, probably a year and a half. And then Spotify, I think I started, put my first song on there in June. It's a little, it's a year, a year and a bit. But my first real releasing stuff was last November. It's getting close to a full year since I've been really going for it.

I mean, I think your FADER Gen F was already a year ago. It must've been before you had anything on Spotify.

It was a real long time ago. I remember that. That was super crazy.

It's very easy to talk about a fact you've had a really quick rise. You were making music even if you weren't sharing it before the pandemic, right?

Definitely. I wasn't making songs really, I was trying to make beats. I was also just really into music. When the pandemic started, I was like, "Fuck it. I'm going to actually try to make good songs." And then progressively, I just got better at it. But I would say up until Cypress Grove is when I started really enjoying the stuff that I was making, and putting out. I was really proud of it. Recently, All Dogs Go to Heaven has been truly something that I'm a really big, just a fan of in general.

I mean, going back to those early things you were doing, you said before you had the time you were only doing four hours of Zoom classes, right? Now you had the time to focus on your music, but what gave you the confidence in those early months of lockdown, the early weeks of lockdown, to say like, "Fuck it. I'm going to share this. People can hear it now. I don't care?"

I made friends with some people that made music. Seeing them put it out and seeing people like it, it was like, "Fuck it. I'm going to do it, too." At first, it was definitely false confidence because it kind of sucked. But then over time the confidence I had slowly, but surely, matched the level of the music that I was making. I think recently I've been confident and the music has been confident as well. It's been a cool coming together of stuff.

One thing about Cypress Grove though was it did seem like a really confident record. I mean, you were still 15 when you put that out, right?

Yeah. It came out, what? November 2020? I was 15.

That's I mean, to me, I'm twice your age and this is probably the oldest I've ever felt. I'm sure you're hearing that a lot from people.

Yeah. Definitely a lot of music people they'll be like, "Damn," because it's not like I'm 16, almost 17. I'm 15. I'm 16, was 15, which is the crazy part.

It's pretty upsetting for me. It's like watching a kid who could be my child play for my favorite football team. I'm like, "I'm probably never going to play for that football team now. That's probably it for me. I'm done." What was the moment, I remember FADER put "Astrid" I think at seven on our songs of the year, and I was really stoked about that. Vice put it at number four. There were all these moments on that little, on that run you had up to, I guess, up to All Dogs..., but up to the start of this year. Was there a moment when you realized that it was spinning a little bit out of control?

Honestly then no, because I mean, I was still just in my bedroom. I wasn't going outside. I'd say only recently I've been like, "Damn," especially with All Dogs Go to Heaven because it came out I think four days ago. Now, I feel like this project is the one that's spinning stuff, not out of control, but it's definitely, Cypress Grove was like this, hold up, this is an audio interview. Let me explain it audio-ly. Cypress Grove is like pew, and then All Dogs Go to Heaven's like bow. That's kind of the best way to explain it in my opinion, but it's just a lot bigger. Cypress Grove again was just in North Carolina, recorded everything in my bedroom and I didn't go outside, but this one I'm in LA, I'm getting recognized on the street. We had a huge pop-up with a fuck ton of people. Some really crazy shit happened. It was just like, it's definitely a lot more feasible or real, but I'd say that's only happened recently.

You spent a lot of this year collaborating with other artists, Ericdoa. You did that single with Renforshort, and now that's a big part of All Dogs. You're working with a bunch of different producers in studio getting different people's opinions on your work. Was that a difficult transition at first, going from doing everything in Hendersonville to going big?

Well, at first, so the first time I went to a studio, it was with Nick Mira. At first, they had an engineer and I was like, "Holy fuck," but then I realized music, if you go to a studio, they're there for you. I record everything. Every song on All Dogs Go to Heaven, every song I make now is all recorded on my laptop. This laptop, I'm doing the interview on, has every single song. I record them all myself. I engineer them all myself. The only thing I don't do now is make the beats because Nick Mira and all of them, they're all crazy at it. I'm going to let them do what they're amazingly talented at.

Actually, not to give myself too much credit, but I've been making a few beats recently. I have a few songs on my produce stuff. I'm pretty happy with them, but I mean, I still do everything the same. The setup that I record everything on is the same as it is in my bedroom. It's not really any different. It's just you're in a studio, but I'm still recording it all myself. I'm still mixing it all myself. I'm still doing all that.

Have you had to be more assertive around people in the studio and saying, "No, you know what, this is the sound that I want to go for here. I'm sticking to my guns?"

Definitely. That's a common thing because you'll walk into a session or something and people will try to make hyperpop. I just did quotations in the air. I know this is an audio thing. I kind of have to be like, "No, I don't do the big EDM shit as much anymore. I want it to all be really tasteful and really cool." But I've realized that that's what people want. They want you to be like, "This is what I want to do." Recently I've just been like, every single session I've been to, it's always just been like, "This is what I want to do. I have a few ideas. Let's do this, this, this, I want the beat to sound like this, make it build here," etc. I've been, All Dogs... the first thing where I was like, "I want it to sound like this." Especially recently post All Dogs Go to Heaven dropping, I've just been like, "I know exactly what I want to do. I have a lot of ideas. Do it exactly this way."

It's interesting to hear you say tasteful and then pulling your music back a little bit away from the super glitchy stuff. There are more acoustic textures on his record. I mean, there was a lot of that on Cypress Grove as well, but take a song like "All Dogs Go to Heaven," the title track from this EP. "All dogs go to heaven, the people don't because we're selfish. All dogs go to heaven, I know we can't help it. All dogs go to heaven, the people don't because we're selfish. All dogs go to heaven, they'll stand by you when the world is ending. I'm fucked up bad. You didn't ask." You must be listening to a lot of stuff that came out before you were even born. What are the sounds that to you speak to something that is quote unquote "tasteful"? Where are those acoustic textures coming from?

Honestly, there's never really anything that I can point to and be like, "This is the type of shit I wanted to make," because I feel like that, if you do that, then you're just somebody else. You're not making your own music. I feel like everything has kind of come together. Like you said, the outro track was just like, "I want to make something that's beautiful." I had the idea to make a song that said, "All dogs go to heaven," in it. I was like, "I want to make a title track outro type of vibe, and the person that did the guitar is Zac Greer, who's also an amazingly talented artist, which is there with his guitar and he was playing it and it was beautiful. But I was never like, I want to make this song sound like that. I was just like, everything that I enjoy and everything that I think is really cool kind of all pushes together and then I do it my own way. That's what I normally do.

Why did you want to make a song called "All Dogs Go To Heaven?"

Well, I think the idea is super sick, all dogs go to heaven, I think it's a really cool like sentence in general. So I was like, okay, let's do that. And then I think that the idea, all dogs go to heaven but the people don't because they're selfish was a really cool line. So I was like, fuck it. And then it ties the project really well together so I'm really happy with that one.

Do you think it's fair to say that there's even a little bit more anger on this album and it's not all directed outwards. There are some moments where you're pretty upset with yourself here, like "Detest Me" would be the obvious one.

It's very emotional, which I feel like has been a strong point in my music always, but this one, I've just improved a lot recently with expressing what I'm actually trying to say words wise. That was kind of a dumb explanation but lyrically, I've been able to say exactly what I want to say. Also, I want to say this. This is kind of a rant, but I write all my own songs completely by myself. Every single word in these songs are by me. I hate when people on fucking Twitter tell me, "He doesn't write his own songs. He doesn't write his own songs." I sit there for time trying to write these motherfuckers, so I would like to be like, I write this, I write the shit. So that's why it's like, it's me.

And I think I've said this in interviews before, but I'm a pretty happy person. You can kind of tell just from talking to me right now, I'm not super wow. But when I'm making music, if I'm angry or if I'm upset about something, it just goes into that song and then I'm completely fine. So that's what I do, yeah. Yeah. So I kind of went off on a tangent there, but yeah.

That sounds incredibly healthy, to be able to channel that.

Yeah, it is. I mean, before I was putting out music, when I was like 10, 11, 12, so I was a little serious. I didn't really talk that much. I was just like a little sad little man, a little young little sad guy. And then I started doing music and creating shit and I realized that it makes me actually 1,000% happier to be super emotional for just the time that I'm making it. I don't even need to be super emotional, I'm just talking about shit that I've felt for a while and I put it into a song. And then after that, I don't even think about it. I'm completely fine. I'm a pretty happy, upbeat person once I do the songs,

If you're channeling all that stuff or you're writing, in the moment itself when you're sitting there writing it, is that actually enjoyable? Is that fun for you?

It depends on the song. "All Dogs Go To Heaven," for the singing it, I was kind of choked up, I was kind of sad. But looking back, the actual recording of the song, I kind of go into a completely different zone, I'm not even thinking about anything other than finishing the song. My favorite part about making music is listening to it after it's been made, so for the... Sorry, I keep talking about "All Dogs Go To Heaven," the outro track, I was in there for two and a half hours making that song, start to finish. Made it all in one night, I'm not exactly a fast recorder so I was sitting there for hours, record all the layers, record everything. I record it all myself so I just had the guitar. I played it for the people that were there.

I think Zac was there, Zac Greer, a producer named Kim Jay, who also did production on it. And then there's this company called Overcast who does YouTube videos, music videos, and they were all there. They were just there because they're my friends and they're friends with everybody there. So they were there and I played the song, and just watching them react to it was my favorite part of recording that. It was like watching them feel the same way I felt about it, and I was super happy with that, yeah.

In the Gen F that we ran, Collin, who did the interview asked you about how your mum feels about some of these songs, because that was on Cypress Grove but there's some pretty dark stuff in here, and that she understood your explanation when you were like, what you just said to me. I'm putting the dark stuff in there and it makes me happy. How was she on this record? How was she on All Dogs? "I Want To Slam My Head Against The Wall," it's an upbeat sounding song but you just read the lyrics cold and you're like, oh wow. Is she totally cool with it now?

Yeah. She really likes a lot of these. Her favorite song is "Stephany," I think. To be fair, that's a song that lyric wise, I would not expect her to like it very much because it's pretty aggressive again. But yeah, she gets it, she gets the vibe. She understands that as long as I can do music, this is actually a story I don't think I've ever talked to before but when I was, I think this was Cypress Grove recording time, most of the songs in Cypress Grove that weren't already out, which is "2009," "DND," they were all made in four days. Before the project came out, I was working really hard and making really cool shit for four days and I was so tired. So this was the third day, I had four sessions in a row. It was the third day. My XLR cord broke, which is what you use to connect a microphone to an interface. And I told my mom that we need to go get it. It was like nine o'clock at night. I was like, we need to go get this right now.

And I think that's when she realized, I just am immensely more happy when I make music and record it. Because I was like, we need to go get this right now. I was crying. I was like, we need to go get this XLR cord right now. I was so upset and she got it. And that I think was the first time she realized how much music meant to me and how much I put into it so I can be just a pretty happy-go-lucky guy the rest of the time.

How's that worked with other people in your life? Obviously, you've found a new community now and you're meeting new people all the time, and lockdowns are sort of ending and you're able to travel a bit, but what's it like back in Hendersonville? You had to go back to school for a few days in Hendersonville, right? How was that?

Yeah. Sadly, I'm going back in six days as well. My school starts again. It's no joke, man. Yeah, I did go back to school for a little bit prior. People are really cool. I go to a school where you have to test into it. You have to have a certain test score to get into the school. So most people there, they don't give a fuck. They're like, I'm going to go to college, they want to be doctors and shit. I'm like, fuck no. So they're all cool. I went back to the public high school that I would've gone to if I didn't do the test and shit, they were going crazy. They were fucking with it.

That was a cool one but the school I actually go to, they could give less of a fuck. They're like, "okay." I get a few weird stares. Somebody asked me for a picture in the bathroom one time, but other than that, kids are pretty cool. They're cool about it. They know that it exists, they're like, cool, good for him. I don't know, but we'll see. I go back soon. When I went, I didn't have any tattoos and now I have two, so we'll see. We'll see.

That's nice because you sort of expect that, especially when you're young, that people's attitudes towards you will change. There'll be some fake people around you, some hangers on, but you've kind of avoid that.

Yeah. There's definitely people like that but I just don't talk to them. It's very easy to fall into the trap of, you have four people with you or like 5, 6, 7, especially if you get to be a huge rapper, you'll have 50 people just following you around all time, you have to pay for everything they do. I just don't want to do that, so if somebody is trying to enter my life and do that, I'm like, I'm good. We can hang out at school but other than that, I'm good. I've definitely tried to avoid that as much as possible, and it's been going well so far.

You were saying before about like you're an outgoing, pretty upbeat person. Music can sometimes be a reflection of a different side of you. How important is it, you obviously, you and a lot of other people put a lot of work into your videos. Your social media is... You're active in a lot of different ways, some of which are public, some aren't. How important is it for you to try and curate that properly? Obviously music's your main focus, but it's not the only focus. It needs to be an experience that's a little bit more rounded.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. At first, I didn't really realize that. When you get into music like a musician and you don't know anything, you just like music and you have no industry people, I didn't know anybody that's part of the music industry when I first started, I just met them through music. So at first I didn't realize that. I was like, "Just make music. I don't understand what the video portion is." So at first all the videos were just like, I was like, "I like nature so let's just do it in nature." So that was the first idea.

But now, recently, I've done everything myself. I'm a big fan of clothes. And I realized that if I make cool clothes for merch, then I get it for free. This blew my mind. I've done three merch drops. I did a crew neck, which just says Cypress Grove on it. And then I did a hoodie. The hoodie is just my writing all over the hoodie, and that was cool. I was a really big fan of that. And then, the next stuff I have coming, I'm so excited for it. Honestly, I don't give a flying fuck if nobody else likes it. I'm so excited for it because I did everything for it. Every single piece of it is done by me. I'm just excited because I get to wear it, to be honest.

But that's a good indication of that's how I feel kind of about everything. I just do it for myself because I think that stuff is cool. And so far, people have been agreeing that I haven't really done anything that's kind of dumb I don't think. Because I've done everything just the way I like it and everyone else has been like, "That's cool." So I'm happy with it. I'm happy with it.

Is there anything about being a professional, effectively, full-time musician, I know you're at school as well, you're about to be, but is there anything about it that you've not enjoyed so far?

I don't like going to parties. I think they're just not fun. You just kind of stand there and listen to music loud. I could do that in my house. That's that's a personal thing though. You don't have to go to parties. The only time I ever went to a party was because Zack Bia was like, "I want you to perform your songs." So like, "Fuck, I'll go." I was having a good time. He was playing some bangers, but I could definitely see if I went to just a random party every day, I would not be having fun. Other than that, obviously there's some kind of weird people that are like, "Hey, hi, nice to meet you." I'm like, "Okay, I don't know you." But other than that, I'm having a blast. I have a good time with it. There's nothing where I'm like, "This shit sucks." I'm just, I'm having fun.

That's awesome. So obviously there's a huge wave behind All Dogs Go To Heaven. Are you allowed to talk about what you've got coming with Eric?

I think so. I've talked about it before. So hopefully me and Ericdoa have a EP, album, I don't really know what it is, but we have a body of work that is very, very special to me. It's been a long time coming. I think we recorded the first song January 2nd, and it's just now almost done. So it's been a long time coming. I love that guy. So I'm excited for that.

And then you got to go back to school.

I do. So I go back to school on the 16th. I get back from LA on the 14th I think. So I get back, I have a day, and then I go back to school. So the funny thing would be is I have this video coming out with a very wonderful video company called Lyrical Lemonade. They are just super amazing guys. And if this happens how it's supposed to happen, the video comes out on my first day back at school. So I think that's pretty funny. I'm going to be in the middle of math class with the Lyrical Lemonade video coming out. So I'm excited for that. Hopefully, we have no idea when that happens, but that's what's next. School, shows and stuff.

Lyrical Lemonade festival is coming up soon. It's called Summer Smash. It's going to be super fun. I'm going to perform all the songs, all that was going to happen. I'm going to have a blast. I'm super excited. We have a thing called a MoMA, MoMA PS1. It's in New York. Me and Eric are doing that and it's going to be a blast. We've been practicing a lot recently for it and I can tell you just all the stuff that I have coming is super sick and I've never been more excited about anything. So I'm excited.

Have you thought a lot about what you want your stage show to look like now that you've done a couple?

This is the funny thing. Right before this and after this we're doing the visuals for the festival. Right now I was trying to get All Dogs Go To Heaven text written out. This is backwards. You can't see it because it's audio. But we were just working on it. I have a fuck ton of doodles that we're trying. So I've been working pretty damn hard on the visuals today. We're going to try to get that wrapped up, but I'm just trying to make everything that's around my music super cool. I feel like I've used the word "tasteful" a lot in this interview, but tasteful, and just super shit that is cool to me, and then hopefully other people like it. That's what I've been trying to do. Definitely.

Awesome. All right, Ash, I'm going to let you go. Actually, is there one song from All Dogs that you would like to play the podcast out with?

I don't know. My favorite song on the project is "1984." I'd be down for that one. I love that song.

Thank you so much Ash. I really appreciate your time mate, and I'm really excited to see what comes next.

Thank you so fricking much for your time. It's been wonderful. It's been wonderful.